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By emm 1, Section News
Posted on Mon May 31st, 2004 at 06:33:32 PM CST

As you have discovered  - Europe has finally discovered Jesse Garcia - Main colloborator on the Spanish Tribal Mix CD Vol 2 from 5 months ago -  now everyone is asking for his remixes.

The Italo-house scene has seen a huge resurgence in latin based (read tribal) tunes in the last few months and Romy Costa is the example. Tribaleo has been a Waves Nightclub fave for a couple of months now - favourite is the Enjoy mix but the Sax mix is starting to find a few fans.

Defected keeps on delivering and 3am is no exception. Tyree Cooper is a classic revisited. Joey Negro comes alive with his Sunburst Band monica - Absolute fave is Diva 11 Diva and One51 Weka.

Can I recommend:





Jose Aguilera and Joe Diaz - Tribaleo - sax version
Born To Funk - Di Bamba
Psycho Radio - Sound IS Shocking
Freddy Cosmo - Saxator
Erick Morillo - Break Down the Doors
Martin Solveig - Good Man
Grant Nelson  - Feel The Music

Saturday night sessions at Waves @ the Hyatt continue to raise the bar in the Adelaide Clubbing scene with discerning clubbers.  Join Me EVERY Saturday to hear what Adelaide is talking about.  
Cheers Dj Emmanuel
Viva SG.
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Guajira! (none / 0) (#1)
by bill fragos on Tue Jun 1st, 2004 at 08:38:43 AM CST
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Thanks for posting some of your choons and thanks for your comments re house music generally... as you are aware Jesse Garcia/ Tribal Spain have found prominence on SoulGood mid last year. Vendetta has been a favourite for many years now too, and Mr Garcia features heavily on this label. Though Tribal Spain V2 came out about 5 months ago, it's good to see that more tracks off the compilation are being released as 12" (like Salou!). Speaking with Johnny Kaz in London, it is interesting that Tribal Spain and Vendetta aren't widely available in the UK, Juno being the only stockist out of the main online stores. Yet the UK would love these labels! Otherwise, people have to try blancoynegro.com in Spain to source the choons. What's really sweet is how people on the dancefloors across Adelaide are appreciating these tracks, without them being widely available. PS nice try slipping in a promo for Waves... I am happy to come if you can assure me that no RnB will be played at all and you find dancers that appreciate (and can dance to) house music... actually, even if you did I still probably wouldn't come!!! : P  Respect.



Viva SG (none / 0) (#2)
by emm 1 on Tue Jun 1st, 2004 at 10:11:02 PM CST
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Sorry Bill -  but I have to play for 7 hours on a Saturday and the clubbing scene demands a variety and entertainment.  I would love to sit and play what I want but I do that at home.  When it comes to getting paid for playing music - it clearly is the punter that demands to be entertained. If the clubbing scene demands RnB and tribal who am I to stop them from having a good time. My position is that whilst I can play new tunes and educate - I still have to find the happy medium to entertain. If that means selecting RnB hey so be it.  Not all punters are going to accept a new tune immediately, but how great it is when you see a person that just danced to Erick Morillo dance to Havana Funk.  It's in the mix - and as a great man once said Its all about the music the dance the people ... feeling free.
Cheers Dj Emmanuel.  SEe you in the NIGHTCLUB.

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High Horse (none / 0) (#3)
by bill fragos on Wed Jun 2nd, 2004 at 09:19:31 AM CST
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Why play for 7 hours?! What are you doin'!

Well, as you know, my thoughts are very different... build it/play it and they shall come! Sure those who like RnB may leave, but hey, it is a CLUB and they can go and turn on the radio and listen to almost every radio station to hear their RnB/Pop (whatever you want to call it) or alternatively they can go to an RnB "club" (an oxymoron perhaps?!). Club culture has its roots in music that is not widely available, thus creating "sub-culture". When maninstream music enters the clubbing arena then it all goes pear shaped. Clubs should be clubbing and providing an alternative, an escape from the everyday. You are right, it is about feeling free - free from the ordinary, the commercial, the material... an escape from reality - hence the music should reflect that desire

Vice versa...I don't play or listen to club music when I am at work.. but why? Because club music is not designed for that environment. Music is about creating moods, and the last I want to do at work is get geared up for a club!

The DJ and MCs (and sometimes the professional dancers) all have a role to play in getting a crowd going and pushing new music and educating those who frequent their club/parties. It is unnecessary to drop tracks that are "cheesy" or "pop" (like many RnB tracks are). See for example, the quote from April 2004 Soul Good Chart - Last Night the DJ Saved My Life. It is on point. If a person doesn't like it or appreciate it, they are most likely not a "clubber" and they can go frequent another establishment that provides the service they desire. Should you play quality music, quality people will appreciate it and return to see you. The underlying assumption is that you are playing quality music in a qualitative way : P

I respect what you say and that you have a different view, that's cool - each to their own. I suppose it really comes down to the point about what role you envisage for yourself, what your purpose for being there is, what perception you want to create and the impression you wish to leave on people.

You are a great DJ in that you know how to mix, you do it well and you certainly aim to keep everyone happy. That's cool.

Respect, and appreciate the opportunity to discuss these issues and to encourage others to speak their mind and show some soul!

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what he said (none / 0) (#4)
by julia on Wed Jun 2nd, 2004 at 09:59:24 AM CST
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YEAH!

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Cheers (none / 0) (#5)
by emm 1 on Wed Jun 2nd, 2004 at 09:58:37 PM CST
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I thank you for the respect. See ya in the Clubs.

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My thoughts (none / 0) (#6)
by Ben James on Thu Jun 3rd, 2004 at 01:54:18 AM CST
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A topic that I'm sure is timeless, yet interesting. I can see both sides to the coin, but I know which one I reside on.

I've only been DJing for 8 years and into house music for around 5, so I'm in no way professing to be an expert on the field, but here are my thoughts.

I'd have to say I'm a little hesitant towards the idea `When it comes to getting paid for playing music - it clearly is the punter that demands to be entertained.'

In the literal sense, there's no point a DJ playing music and the only person in the room enjoying the music is himself, but...

Maybe I'm being a tad idealistic, even naïve, but I'd prefer to think of pure DJs as artists. They have a specific craft and a style of craft too. I'm a fan of Bill's philosophy `build it/play it and they shall come!' I think most people have the intelligence to associate styles of music with places and DJs and if given enough incentive and enjoyment from those styles, return to those artists to hear their craft again. I know when I have a night off playing, there's a specific DJ I enjoy hearing and will find out where he's playing and follow him for a good night out.
(Shout out Ezee G!) I'm aware that my level of interest would be higher than the average punter...but still, people come up to me and ask me when I'm playing next...must be doing something right! The sort of people that stumble in to one night venue after the other, dancing to pop stuff and ignoring house music are not really the people I am trying to appeal to or who's opinions I value highly.

On the other hand, playing music, even music you don't like is quite simply a better job than most. You're surrounded by women and drinking free booze. Not stuck tossing burgers, stacking shelves or a myriad of other horrible jobs we Uni Students do to survive. Not too long ago I found myself at a gig playing crap off CD players. It honestly was one of the most horrible nights of my life, and the only way I got through it was reminding myself I was getting paid $125 an hour and in a far better environment that some of my less admirable jobs as a youngster...

As for playing for 7 hours in one night. You're a better man than I! I find my 2 hours sets leaving me wanting to squeeze in a tad more tracks, but the 3 hour sets see my energy levels fading in the last half hour. I suppose the 2 hour sets are the way to go then, leave you wanting a bit more...like a nice meal.

In regard to `how great it is when you see a person that just danced to Erick Morillo dance to Havana Funk.' I'm not totally comfortable with this. If a DJ plays Beyonce, Usher, then whacks on a Tribal house tune, does he have the right to legitimately say the crowd is dancing to it? There's always going to be a punter or two stuck on the dance floor chasing skirt. They'll probably dance to anything. That said I realise there are ways to lead into non-commercial tracks and the placement of them lead to their demise or success. That in itself is a skill, which from what I can gather (from the limited information of the posts)... you have a high degree off.

I think Bill summarised my feeling with the paragraph `I respect what you say and that you have a different view, that's cool - each to their own. I suppose it really comes down to the point about what role you envisage for yourself, what your purpose for being there is, what perception you want to create and the impression you wish to leave on people.' Just like I have no right to criticize a baker or retail assistant or a clerk...they are all different jobs. Which is how I see DJ's who play what the crowd wants to hear. It's not my thing, but that doesn't mean they aren't skilful in their own way.

Anyway, I'm not sure if I've said anything of interest. I guess I just wanted to post to see where my own thoughts took me, but it's 2am and my eyes are closing over.

I suppose at the moment I'm in a position to, and do, turn down gigs which dictate to me what style of music they want, and am being offered enough gigs where I can play my true loved style of house music. I understand I'm pretty lucky in that respect, and appreciate some people are forced to play other styles than their preferred ones to provide income. It's hard to proudly state `don't sell out to the crowd' but it's a different story when you've got bills to pay and mouths to feed. Luckily I haven't....

Anyway, till next time, take care.

Ben James.

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Unity in Diversity (none / 0) (#7)
by bill fragos on Thu Jun 3rd, 2004 at 09:12:47 AM CST
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Cool that people are posting their thoughts.... perhaps we should get Emmanuel and Ben James on SoulGood (FreshFM) to discuss these issues on air and do a mix up too?

Emmanuel and Ben, let me know via email: soulgood@freshfm.com.au and will git it sortid!
Bulo!

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Viva SG (none / 0) (#9)
by emm 1 on Thu Jun 3rd, 2004 at 09:42:57 PM CST
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I too am wrapped that people are posting their thoughts. That was my intention when I replied to Bill's post. As far as a conversation on radio - I'm not a music director but I wouldn't like to listen to too much chatter on radio especially the pros and cons to entertaining people (when you should be entertaining people).......... then again I don't listen to radio except when I'm driving to my gig. Cheers C Ya in the clubs.

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RSVP (none / 0) (#10)
by Ben James on Fri Jun 4th, 2004 at 02:07:28 AM CST
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Hey Bill, thanks for the invitation to Soulgood. I'm not too sure I can contribute much more than my post though.

However, I'd love to come in to the studio and soak up some Soulgood vibe inthemix. Not sure there's any use in me mixing, what tune could I play you guys haven't possibly heard of already!
I'll drop you a line soon on the freshfm email address.

As for crispian's post 'DJing as art'... was that a not so subtle way of saying 'this thread is a joke?' or is that just his sense of humour. Either way, it made me laugh.

Have a good weekend guys.

Ben James.


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A little.. (none / 0) (#11)
by crispian on Fri Jun 4th, 2004 at 11:58:15 AM CST
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A little from column A and a little from column B. :-)

I'm just aware that when more than 2 DJs get in a room and the word 'Respect' starts getting thrown around, it's really secret code for 'lets all get together for a giant circle-jerk'. :-D Just keeping things light.

Glad it gave you a giggle, but I'll have the last laugh when in 25 years, and after 4000 releases of my 130 bpm bleep, I'm being inducted into the Dance Music Hall Of Fame as 'The Godfather Of Neo-Plastic Music'! Actually now that I think of it, my music is more cubist.

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SFTM (none / 0) (#13)
by Ben James on Fri Jun 4th, 2004 at 03:49:04 PM CST
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Nothing like injecting a bit of humour into the thread. I wonder where the thread would have wandered left to its own devices...

I'm not sure I was focussing on the 'respect' issue. From my personal experience of meeting DJs, most are very humble. Perhaps I've just been lucky, but I've met a lot of guys playing tunes regularly, all who gave me the impression they feel they are lucky to be doing what they do. I've sensed some arrogance from one or two, but have to say I can't share your views on DJ's and their issues with respect.

My aim was to show my thoughts on DJing as art. Maybe it's not 100% reality, but then again, does that really matter?

Anyway, take care and all the best with the Neo-Plastic Music Movement. May the 130bpm for be with you.

Stay tuned for plans of the Static Fanatic Track It Movement. Disciples will be required to place the needle on the paper centre of the record, and blast the crowd with needle tearing static until booted from the club.

Ben James.


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DJing as art. (none / 0) (#8)
by crispian on Thu Jun 3rd, 2004 at 11:46:50 AM CST
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I wish to form the Neo-Plasticist movement for DJs. All sets regardless of length will be required to be a steady bleeping sound at 130bpm. No waveforms, no instruments, no vocals. Any deviation from this will be a dilution of the artistic integrity of the piece and representitive of the de-evolution of humankind.


Yours truly, the musical fascist.


P.S. :-P


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Bueller.... Bueller..... Bueller (none / 0) (#12)
by bill fragos on Fri Jun 4th, 2004 at 01:11:57 PM CST
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For the November 2003 Soul Good Chart is ranted:

"I believe (perhaps naively) that DJ's should promote the tracks they play so others, DJ's and members of our community alike, can source, play and enjoy them too. That said, the quality of a good DJ is not so much what they play, but rather how they play their tracks. Anyone can learn to mix or play tracks one after the other; a good DJ though mixes or arranges tracks creatively and intelligently. the quality of a good DJ is not so much what they play, but rather how they play their tracks. Anyone can learn to mix or play tracks one after the other; a good DJ though mixes or arranges tracks creatively and intelligently".

Ben, it's not what you play but HOW you play! I thought you this is what we discussed one night at Moskva?!!!Then again, you were pretty mashed up that night : P

So, go on, get in there my son n show the world whatcha made of! Show us your best Koop impersonation in Human Traffic when he's scratchin' and the camera pans around him.... : )

In any event, I am sure that you'll have stuff that we don't know about... a wise man once said (Chris Despotakis - long live Dance 100) that essentially, most DJs are fascist right wingers. What they have in their crate is the best and whatever is not in their crate they consider crap and unworthy of attention... DJs think they are better than other DJs, and everyone else is cheesey and beneath them... and club owners and clubbers need to be told what to enjoy and what is good for them.... and DJs usually wear black too.

Do I think I am a fascist? I am probably an social anarchic re-deconstructionist. What do I think of other DJs? To quote another wise man: "They can be fascist anarchists for all I care, it still don't change the fact that I don't own a car".

So, Ben, we await your presence in our humble studio.

Emmanuel, we want you too baby! Kwik!

Ps I've got a car.... a big black shiny car. (No, I am not going to quote Mr Noll).

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Sigma (none / 0) (#14)
by Ben James on Fri Jun 4th, 2004 at 04:06:05 PM CST
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I do remember our drunken conversation Bill! Or was that just me that was drunk. I have to say though that I do place perhaps more importance than you on track selection. Perhaps appreciation is a better word that importance. I appreciate immensely the guys, like you, that are out there hunting tunes, on the net, digging the crates. Perhaps this skill is being eroded, or has been eroded, by the internet and mailing lists notifying us of new releases, but I still feel I'm behind several other guys when it comes to the latest tunes. I just can't help feeling a bit cheeky simply checking the charts, and ordering tunes minutes later with the click of a mouse button.

That said, I do agree that the most important skill is sequence. I've only been playing for a short time and in decent places for an even shorter time, but I'm learning every gig about how to build the floor with the right vibe, not exhausting the crowd but keeping the energy dynamic. In this sense, I'd feel somewhat out of my league mixing in the company of the Soul Good crew. I guess thats what I really meant by my comment regarding 'I wouldn't have any new tunes to play'. Nevertheless, I have so much to learn and I would love to check out a show soon.  

Finally, I think your attitude to sharing the wealth so to speak in spreading the word on the new tunes is mature and generous.

Anyway, this week's been a tough week of lectures, assignments, and overly deep Soul Good posts! I haven't bought a new tune for 8 days now. It's time to get irresponsibly drunk and talk @#% to strangers!

Enjoy your weekends, gigs, and hopefully catch you out soon.

Ben James.

P.S. I have a white 1984 Sigma sedan. Willing to trade for any new release 12".

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