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High Horse (none / 0) (#3)
by bill fragos on Wed Jun 2nd, 2004 at 09:19:31 AM CST
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Why play for 7 hours?! What are you doin'!

Well, as you know, my thoughts are very different... build it/play it and they shall come! Sure those who like RnB may leave, but hey, it is a CLUB and they can go and turn on the radio and listen to almost every radio station to hear their RnB/Pop (whatever you want to call it) or alternatively they can go to an RnB "club" (an oxymoron perhaps?!). Club culture has its roots in music that is not widely available, thus creating "sub-culture". When maninstream music enters the clubbing arena then it all goes pear shaped. Clubs should be clubbing and providing an alternative, an escape from the everyday. You are right, it is about feeling free - free from the ordinary, the commercial, the material... an escape from reality - hence the music should reflect that desire

Vice versa...I don't play or listen to club music when I am at work.. but why? Because club music is not designed for that environment. Music is about creating moods, and the last I want to do at work is get geared up for a club!

The DJ and MCs (and sometimes the professional dancers) all have a role to play in getting a crowd going and pushing new music and educating those who frequent their club/parties. It is unnecessary to drop tracks that are "cheesy" or "pop" (like many RnB tracks are). See for example, the quote from April 2004 Soul Good Chart - Last Night the DJ Saved My Life. It is on point. If a person doesn't like it or appreciate it, they are most likely not a "clubber" and they can go frequent another establishment that provides the service they desire. Should you play quality music, quality people will appreciate it and return to see you. The underlying assumption is that you are playing quality music in a qualitative way : P

I respect what you say and that you have a different view, that's cool - each to their own. I suppose it really comes down to the point about what role you envisage for yourself, what your purpose for being there is, what perception you want to create and the impression you wish to leave on people.

You are a great DJ in that you know how to mix, you do it well and you certainly aim to keep everyone happy. That's cool.

Respect, and appreciate the opportunity to discuss these issues and to encourage others to speak their mind and show some soul!

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what he said (none / 0) (#4)
by julia on Wed Jun 2nd, 2004 at 09:59:24 AM CST
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YEAH!

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Cheers (none / 0) (#5)
by emm 1 on Wed Jun 2nd, 2004 at 09:58:37 PM CST
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I thank you for the respect. See ya in the Clubs.

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My thoughts (none / 0) (#6)
by Ben James on Thu Jun 3rd, 2004 at 01:54:18 AM CST
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A topic that I'm sure is timeless, yet interesting. I can see both sides to the coin, but I know which one I reside on.

I've only been DJing for 8 years and into house music for around 5, so I'm in no way professing to be an expert on the field, but here are my thoughts.

I'd have to say I'm a little hesitant towards the idea `When it comes to getting paid for playing music - it clearly is the punter that demands to be entertained.'

In the literal sense, there's no point a DJ playing music and the only person in the room enjoying the music is himself, but...

Maybe I'm being a tad idealistic, even naïve, but I'd prefer to think of pure DJs as artists. They have a specific craft and a style of craft too. I'm a fan of Bill's philosophy `build it/play it and they shall come!' I think most people have the intelligence to associate styles of music with places and DJs and if given enough incentive and enjoyment from those styles, return to those artists to hear their craft again. I know when I have a night off playing, there's a specific DJ I enjoy hearing and will find out where he's playing and follow him for a good night out.
(Shout out Ezee G!) I'm aware that my level of interest would be higher than the average punter...but still, people come up to me and ask me when I'm playing next...must be doing something right! The sort of people that stumble in to one night venue after the other, dancing to pop stuff and ignoring house music are not really the people I am trying to appeal to or who's opinions I value highly.

On the other hand, playing music, even music you don't like is quite simply a better job than most. You're surrounded by women and drinking free booze. Not stuck tossing burgers, stacking shelves or a myriad of other horrible jobs we Uni Students do to survive. Not too long ago I found myself at a gig playing crap off CD players. It honestly was one of the most horrible nights of my life, and the only way I got through it was reminding myself I was getting paid $125 an hour and in a far better environment that some of my less admirable jobs as a youngster...

As for playing for 7 hours in one night. You're a better man than I! I find my 2 hours sets leaving me wanting to squeeze in a tad more tracks, but the 3 hour sets see my energy levels fading in the last half hour. I suppose the 2 hour sets are the way to go then, leave you wanting a bit more...like a nice meal.

In regard to `how great it is when you see a person that just danced to Erick Morillo dance to Havana Funk.' I'm not totally comfortable with this. If a DJ plays Beyonce, Usher, then whacks on a Tribal house tune, does he have the right to legitimately say the crowd is dancing to it? There's always going to be a punter or two stuck on the dance floor chasing skirt. They'll probably dance to anything. That said I realise there are ways to lead into non-commercial tracks and the placement of them lead to their demise or success. That in itself is a skill, which from what I can gather (from the limited information of the posts)... you have a high degree off.

I think Bill summarised my feeling with the paragraph `I respect what you say and that you have a different view, that's cool - each to their own. I suppose it really comes down to the point about what role you envisage for yourself, what your purpose for being there is, what perception you want to create and the impression you wish to leave on people.' Just like I have no right to criticize a baker or retail assistant or a clerk...they are all different jobs. Which is how I see DJ's who play what the crowd wants to hear. It's not my thing, but that doesn't mean they aren't skilful in their own way.

Anyway, I'm not sure if I've said anything of interest. I guess I just wanted to post to see where my own thoughts took me, but it's 2am and my eyes are closing over.

I suppose at the moment I'm in a position to, and do, turn down gigs which dictate to me what style of music they want, and am being offered enough gigs where I can play my true loved style of house music. I understand I'm pretty lucky in that respect, and appreciate some people are forced to play other styles than their preferred ones to provide income. It's hard to proudly state `don't sell out to the crowd' but it's a different story when you've got bills to pay and mouths to feed. Luckily I haven't....

Anyway, till next time, take care.

Ben James.

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Unity in Diversity (none / 0) (#7)
by bill fragos on Thu Jun 3rd, 2004 at 09:12:47 AM CST
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Cool that people are posting their thoughts.... perhaps we should get Emmanuel and Ben James on SoulGood (FreshFM) to discuss these issues on air and do a mix up too?

Emmanuel and Ben, let me know via email: soulgood@freshfm.com.au and will git it sortid!
Bulo!

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Viva SG (none / 0) (#9)
by emm 1 on Thu Jun 3rd, 2004 at 09:42:57 PM CST
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I too am wrapped that people are posting their thoughts. That was my intention when I replied to Bill's post. As far as a conversation on radio - I'm not a music director but I wouldn't like to listen to too much chatter on radio especially the pros and cons to entertaining people (when you should be entertaining people).......... then again I don't listen to radio except when I'm driving to my gig. Cheers C Ya in the clubs.

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RSVP (none / 0) (#10)
by Ben James on Fri Jun 4th, 2004 at 02:07:28 AM CST
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Hey Bill, thanks for the invitation to Soulgood. I'm not too sure I can contribute much more than my post though.

However, I'd love to come in to the studio and soak up some Soulgood vibe inthemix. Not sure there's any use in me mixing, what tune could I play you guys haven't possibly heard of already!
I'll drop you a line soon on the freshfm email address.

As for crispian's post 'DJing as art'... was that a not so subtle way of saying 'this thread is a joke?' or is that just his sense of humour. Either way, it made me laugh.

Have a good weekend guys.

Ben James.


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A little.. (none / 0) (#11)
by crispian on Fri Jun 4th, 2004 at 11:58:15 AM CST
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A little from column A and a little from column B. :-)

I'm just aware that when more than 2 DJs get in a room and the word 'Respect' starts getting thrown around, it's really secret code for 'lets all get together for a giant circle-jerk'. :-D Just keeping things light.

Glad it gave you a giggle, but I'll have the last laugh when in 25 years, and after 4000 releases of my 130 bpm bleep, I'm being inducted into the Dance Music Hall Of Fame as 'The Godfather Of Neo-Plastic Music'! Actually now that I think of it, my music is more cubist.

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SFTM (none / 0) (#13)
by Ben James on Fri Jun 4th, 2004 at 03:49:04 PM CST
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Nothing like injecting a bit of humour into the thread. I wonder where the thread would have wandered left to its own devices...

I'm not sure I was focussing on the 'respect' issue. From my personal experience of meeting DJs, most are very humble. Perhaps I've just been lucky, but I've met a lot of guys playing tunes regularly, all who gave me the impression they feel they are lucky to be doing what they do. I've sensed some arrogance from one or two, but have to say I can't share your views on DJ's and their issues with respect.

My aim was to show my thoughts on DJing as art. Maybe it's not 100% reality, but then again, does that really matter?

Anyway, take care and all the best with the Neo-Plastic Music Movement. May the 130bpm for be with you.

Stay tuned for plans of the Static Fanatic Track It Movement. Disciples will be required to place the needle on the paper centre of the record, and blast the crowd with needle tearing static until booted from the club.

Ben James.


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