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Soul Good Top 10 (November 2004)

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By bill fragos, Section Charts and Set Lists
Posted on Wed Dec 1st, 2004 at 11:37:47 AM CST

When supplying the Soul Good chart in November 2003 I said: "I believe (perhaps naively) that DJ’s should promote the tracks they play so others, DJ’s and members of our community alike, can source, play and enjoy them too. That said, the quality of a good DJ is not so much what they play, but rather how they play their tracks. Anyone can learn to mix or play tracks one after the other; a good DJ though mixes or arranges tracks creatively and intelligently".

It is interesting to see how few other DJs share these thoughts. That is, some don't like to tell others info regarding tracks (maybe it's embarrassment, or selfishness, or arrogance, or taking away their "identity" or a combination?). It is also apparent that many have little regard for set programming and creating a mood and are more content on putting on one "popular" track after another "popular" track and playing tracks that are "older" and "safer". Many of these DJs don't like to push new tracks.

My opinion? Well, it still remains "each to their own". It is what distinguishes one DJ from another. After all, the tracks that a certain DJ plays is how we identify them and how we identify with them. A DJ should concern themself more on what they are doing, what they identify with and what they want to achieve. The only negative comment that I would make is that playing "older" and "safer" sometimes reflects a general disrespect for the intelligence and tastes of an audience.

Click below for details of the Soul Good Top 10 tracks for November 2004.





  1. Dirty Filthy – Superchumbo
  2. Je Suis Music - Cerrone (Armand Van Helden Rmx)
  3. Nova EP – Wawa
  4. We Got the Muzik – Sebastian Ingrosso & John Dahl
  5. Resta In Ascolto - Laura Pausini (Luca Cassani Amore Dub)
  6. Runnin – Jon Cutler feat Pete Simpson (Copyright Rmx)
  7. All Of the Time – Conga Squad (C:Mos Extended Rmx)
  8. Organica (That Place) - Patrick Turner feat Ron Williams
  9. Funk All Star - DJ Pedro & Terry G
  10. Whole – Benjamin Bates (Steve Angello Rmxs)
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Soul Good Top 10 (November 2004) | 24 comments (24 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
My thoughts.... (none / 0) (#1)
by Ben James on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 02:29:05 AM CST
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I thought I'd post my comments here Bill rather than discuss via Soul Good Live Chat so others can post their thoughts if they feel so inclined...

Guess I'd like to preface my comments by saying this my take on the situation at present, my attitude has changed over the past years and is likely to change in the future I suppose - in response to feedback to my post perhaps.

First of all I'd like to reiterate two comments I think I've made earlier.

  1. The SG collective has an extremely unselfish view toward promoting house. I'm extremely grateful for the website and the show in assisting my train spotting.

  2. I think I place more importance on the skill in track selection than you Bill. I believe you underestimate your tune watching/hunting/collecting skill, and I think it goes a long way in making up the worth of a DJ, especially in this Adelaide scene.

Moving on from that, I'd like to comment re: "some (DJs) don't like to tell others info regarding tracks (maybe it's ... taking away their "identity")". I think that's definitely the major reason. If you don't excel in set construction or direction, what more do you have than track selection?  It may not be in the best interest of the house movement to be secretive, but it's quite understandably a human trait. Even you commented "After all, the tracks that a certain DJ plays are how we identify them and how we identify with them."

The most interesting point I'd like to discuss from your post Bill is re: "The only negative comment that I would make is that playing "older" and "safer" sometimes reflects a general disrespect for the intelligence and tastes of an audience."

Are we not in danger of over estimating the intelligence of our audiences?

I'd have little hesitation in suggesting your knowledge of house far exceeds any one else on the dance floor... I feel that we should play above the level of the audience in an attempt to educate them and open their eyes and ears to new sounds, but at what level? We don't chuck a 5 year old into year 12... who are we to say crowds are ready for the quantity of new music you are in tune with?
As for the `tastes' of the audience - is it just me getting nagged for `Chicken Lips' `I am Tha 1' and `Four to the Floor' every week?'

I'd also like to bring up the point of whether residents have different (more or less) responsibility or power in promoting new house than you. Your sets Bill are less frequent, and I think people see them more as `events', and come with higher expectations of newer tunes and upfront styles. Does a resident have more responsibility to promote new tunes, having the privilege of having the crowd every week, or do they have less right to do so, as more people who come across their sets will be there mostly because of the venue, not going to see a DJ who plays once a month in an event style setting?

I'd like to hear other's thoughts...

Ben James.




Response... (none / 0) (#2)
by Jon Whiley on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 03:38:10 AM CST
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Hi...

I would like to address two points...

Regarding your comments about the secretive nature of many DJ's, I tend to agree with Ben here.  It's human nature to be 'one step ahead'.  I feel that you are being very charitable posting your charts, the fruits of your labour, for all to see.  However, can I assume your charts consist of tunes that you have already aired on radio/in a club?  Perhaps in your case, there is an element of the tunes you are sharing being 'yesterdays news'.
How do you feel about sharing information on the tunes you are after, and as yet, do not possess.  Would you be slightly relucant to part with this 'edge' you have other other DJ's?  
Perhaps this can be compared with the secretive nature, or 'selfishness' of other DJ's...

With reference, to pushing new music, I feel it's not always appropriate, or even possible, for every DJ to do this.
A newbie on the scene, has little influence on what he can successfully show an audience.  Sure, he can play breaking music and impress a handful of people like you and me, but the main body of the crowd, in my opinion, will leave unimpressed, unless he's thrown in a decent helping of crowd pleasers.  
I feel that if DJ Nobody and Roger Sanchez played the same set, to the same crowd, the Sanchez set would be rated much higher by the crowd.  This brings along the point that an audience is perhaps less intelligent than we would like, and can be instructed what to like.  Media demonstrates this, and don't think this point can be overlooked.  
If SAFm played Zamelaya ten times a day maybe Ben would get asked for that, instead of I am The One... mind you he doesn't have it yet;)

Anyway, I could type for hours, 5 minutes of disjointed drivel is better than 4 hours worth...

Cheers.




Ahh Zimelaya.... (none / 0) (#3)
by Ben James on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 03:47:31 AM CST
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Great choon...where'd ya hear about that one?!

And by the way - could you really type for hours?

Ben James.

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Respect (none / 0) (#4)
by bill fragos on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 12:04:14 PM CST
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Thanks for posting your thoughts. What I play on Soul Good does not always reflect how I would play a "live" set. The intention of SoulGood is to push new music and it is a difficult task to play all new music in a fluid and seamless way, especially when working within the confines of sponsorship/advertising breaks. Ben, I don't agree with you that you place more importance on the skill of track selection than I do. However, I would gladly accept a challenge in a club to see who has the better "set construction"! (Feel the testosterone building up!).

As I stated in November 2003 at the start of the post, the Soul Good (Top 10) Charts are a list of my top (ten) tracks for a particular month. These tracks were played either on SoulGood or at my sets. They are retrospective. I agree that I don't disclose the tracks I am after. There are many reasons for this. These include that I have not "tested" the tracks myself and from a practical point of view it is very difficult to do, as the list of tracks would frequently change. I do share what I have played and I believe people can wait four weeks (maximum) for my next chart. The alternative of course is people can simply listen to SoulGood, my extended radio sets or come to my "live" sets. It is an interesting request (for a "desired" tracks chart), considering very few DJs (in Adelaide) post a chart! (Where's the Ben James chart or the Jon Whiley Chart?). I will add that many secretive DJs aren't one step ahead at all; in fact they are several steps behind to those who do know what they are playing. That is my experience.

I was very clear to specify that I have an "each to their own" attitude. I am not particularly concerned if a DJ plays one "popular" track after another. I wouldn't play one "popular" track after another as it is not "me" (or my identity or how I am identified). Do "popular" track playing DJs hinder the promotion of new or better or cooler tracks? Of course, as after all, such a DJ would play a "popular" track in place of another new or better or cooler track.

Does this ruin the scene? Not necessarily. It makes other DJs more desirable to those with an acquired taste (and less desirable to those with "popular" tastes). This creates a distinction between DJs and thus reinforcing their "identity". However, I would not disrespect another DJ simply because they do play "popular" tracks. DJs should learn the meaning of respect; both for each other and for a crowd. The crowd will inevitably vote with their feet as to whether they like and identify with tracks and a DJ. Who is in that crowd depends on a number of factors, including but not limited to the DJs, the owners, the promoters and the door staff. If you are concerned about receiving "cheesy" or "popular" requests then you should ask yourself why are such people requesting tracks and why are they there anyway? If they are listening to SAFM (a popular radio station in Adelaide) they are unlikely to be "clubbers", or at very least, do not appreciate a "clubbing mentality". Of course, it really depends on whether the venue in question is a club or bar or is a "night" that shares a "club" mentality or whether it is simply there to make as much money as possible from the door and at the bar and have some "enjoyable" music on at the same time.

The question was asked "are we not in danger of over estimating the intelligence of our audiences?" Not at all. I think such an attitude is condescending and patronising to many people. Intelligence is not only what someone knows but also their ability to learn, appreciate and grasp issues. There are many things one can do to ensure an "intelligent" or appreciative audience, and if this is a real concern to a DJ then they should do something about it and make certain decisions and choices.

The point whether a well-recognised DJ and an unrecognisable DJ play the same set (not sure how this would be possible) and this leading to a different response from an audience is an issue that has little to do with the music, as it is the only constant in the equation. The same could be said about U2 playing the same gig as an unrecognisable band. It's not so much about the music or intelligence of the audience, but has more to do with an image or "simulation" and a history, anticipation and the excitement that follows from the image associated with that person/group. (Yes I was a bloody arts student and have studied post-modernism/post structuralism, deconstructionism and the writings of Jean Baudrillard). If you are concerned about "image" then start promoting yourself and create a "name" or "branding" etc. Just don't call it "SoulGood" or "Soul Generation" as you'll be infringing on certain intellectual property rights and I'll get nasty. : )

I hope these thoughts give you something to think about and discuss.

Respect.

By the way Jon Whiley, not all DJs are male, and Zamaleya (Afro EP) by Copyright first came out in August 2004. ; )

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Game on! (none / 0) (#5)
by Ben James on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 01:26:13 PM CST
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1 - Bill I think you misunderstood one of my points - evidenced by your comment:

"Ben, I don't agree with you that you place more importance on the skill of track selection than I do."

I in no way meant I have better track selection than you, it's obvious to both of us I don't.

I meant when rating a DJ, I would place 'track selection' higher up or give it a greater weighting than you would. E.G. if someone says 'what's makes a good DJ', I might say is 'tune selection counts for 50%, beat mixing counts for 20%, set direction 30%...etc' where as I feel you would say 'tune selection counts for x<50%...etc'

See my point?

2 - As for the Ben James chart, I don't believe I'm that on top of the game to be giving other's advice, by way of top 10 lists.

3 - Re: "If you are concerned about receiving "cheesy" or "popular" requests then you should ask yourself why are such people requesting tracks are and why are they there anyway?"
Where are you playing that you aren't receiving requests for cheese and popular tunes?
What are your answers to the questions you pose?

4 - Re: "Intelligence is not only what someone knows but also their ability to learn, appreciate and grasp issues. There are many things one can do to ensure an "intelligent" or appreciative audience, and if this is a real concern to a DJ then they should do something about it and make certain decisions and choices."
I agree with your broader definition of intelligence, but how can you be so sure you can never overestimate it?
If the intelligence is finite, is it totally inconceivable that your estimate is above this?
Isn't there even a remote chance that the crowd does not have the ability to appreciate and grasp new music to the same level as you Bill? I think you underestimate yourself. Who's on your level?
Furthermore, if this is a real concern to me, what actions and decisions and choices can I make?
Help me help myself!

5 - Re: "The point whether a well-recognised DJ and an unrecognisable DJ play the same set (not sure how this would be possible) and this leading to a different response from an audience is an issue that has little to do with the music"
I'm not entirely sure what your take on this was...it seems as though you agree on this, that's why you've created an image of SoulGood and of Bill Fragos (we often hear 'Inthemix...with Bill Fragos' during your SG sets and Mix@6 sets.) Is your feeling of what Jon pointed out that 'yes it's a fact of life so if you can't beat it join it' i.e. start creating an image or brand?

Eagerly awaiting your response...

Ben James.


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That word. (none / 0) (#6)
by crispian on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 03:15:50 PM CST
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However, I would not disrespect another DJ simply because they do play "popular" tracks.
That's a filthy, dirty lie, and you know it, chum.

bo.

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Female DJs? (none / 0) (#7)
by Jon Whiley on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 03:22:36 PM CST
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Haha... well of course there are, some things get written out in the name of being reader friendly!

I agree, many secretive DJs aren't 'one step ahead' at all, but by keeping the odd 'secret weapon', they may feel they're retaining something that separates them from their colleagues.  This might be for several reasons, not least of all insecurity and lack of belief in their own skills.  I recently let a friend borrow two of my 'secret weapons', and I still feel naked!  Very strange...
Bill, your secret weapon is the fact that you invest so much time and energy in finding new and fresh tracks, this is unmatched by anyone I know.  I think you underestimate your edge here... well earned by the way!

As to the 'intelligence' of the audience, I have to agree with Ben here, you are gracing too many with your level of interest in the music.  Certainly it may be the case with SoulGood on FreshFm, as the audience is more heavily comprised of music listeners, but in a club environment I think this component of the audience is lacking.  The club audience, in the main, are 'partyers' as opposed to listeners, many will leave without appreciating what new sounds graced their ears, and many will not even know who has just played.
I think it is more appropriate to address 'desire', rather than refer to intelligence.  By this I mean what exactly the audience wants from the experience.  The people that sit down in front of the radio and tune into SoulGood, craving the latest releases, can be the same as those who stand in the front row and shout for 'Call On Me'. I include myself in this category.  The reasons?  Where do you start... intoxication perhaps!

A Jon Whiley Top Ten?  well I'll start with a couple that I can't get enough of at the moment...  all been about for a couple of months:
Bongoloverz - Power Of Music (Dub)... massive smile factor:)
Toby Neal - Join The Dots... just can't not move to it... and...
Alter Ego - Rocker... mad tune I just love.

Liking your number One Bill, Dirty Filthy... it was my September Top tune ;) lol...

Take Care.

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Indeed... (none / 0) (#10)
by Ben James on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 08:54:53 PM CST
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Yeah wikkid choon...

Had it as my July '98 release to look out for...

+_+

We luv ya Billy.

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WOW! (none / 0) (#8)
by DB on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 03:49:38 PM CST
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Having taken in both sides of this debate i felt compelled to comment. I make no bones about the fact that i am an amatuer and hopefully somewhere in transition from being "that person crying out for Call on Me" and the one who leaves the club appreciating what they have just witnessed. How can we further educate the crowd? The answer is, we can't. But if we can continue to forge ahead there will be more people like myself seeing the many aspects of this art and appreciating them for what they are.

"the quality of a good DJ is not so much what they play, but rather how they play their tracks. Anyone can learn to mix or play tracks one after the other; a good DJ though mixes or arranges tracks creatively and intelligently"

A SMOOTH SEA NEVER MADE A SKILLED MARINER! Those who continue to play uninspired cheeze, tracks they can rely on will never really develop. Those putting the newest, edgiest tracks to the people on the dance floor will not get the morons asking for 'I am the 1' jumping up and down and screaming for me immediately, but over time... who is the real winner?

Not unlike wine, you must first educate the palate, this takes time... Why do you think most people by Jacobs Creek??? Because it does not challenge you. But there are some out there who crave a challenge... It's up to you Bill, Ben, JW, Mobin, Crispian to provide that.

DB
a.k.a DIESEL



What's Goin' On 'Ere ay? (none / 0) (#9)
by bill fragos on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 04:47:40 PM CST
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Much respect to all the comments!

It's obvious that I wouldn't "rate" DJs in the same way you do Ben. I don't think it's something capable of analysis to the extent or in the way you have put forward. For me it's really about a vast number of things but at the same time one thing.

As for a Ben James chart, well, I sense you fear people turning around and saying: "it's old". Who cares? It's about what you like at a certain time and informing and promoting that to others for their benefit and for your benefit. To me, a chart assists in what I raised above regarding "identity". There are also several examples of where I have charted tracks that have been out a while, where I have "revisited" them and started liking them more eg Jon Cutler "Runnin" (Debut on SoulGood in Oct but charted Nov), Hool vs Bruckheimer "In the Beginning", Superchumbo "Dirty Filthy" etc.

Regarding avoiding requests, let's just say I don't play where you play : ). Some venues and nights are conducive to being interrupted by others, especially when one considers the way the venue/console is physically set up. No person can force you to play at a venue where this happens (if you are bothered by it). If you don't like it then stop playing at those venues where it happens. Or alternatively, have a word with owners, promoters, DJs, security and "clubbers" about it and feel out what they think. My preferred alternative is to promote oneself and invite one's own "crew" to performances.

As to analysing the "intelligence" of an audience: the reason why I have placed in quotes (both here and above) is because I believe it's preferable to view the situation in terms of appreciation (You'll also see this in my previous post) and purpose. The answer for me comes back to promoting oneself and identifying with people. Being a DJ (to me) is more than playing records, entertaining people, connecting with them and mutual appreciation and respect. There is a significant level of promotion involved that comes with the territory. This way, those who identify will hopefully come to venues. I don't think it's entirely beneficial to constantly second-guess whether people are "intelligent enough" or capable of appreciating what one plays or is about to play. There will inevitably be an element of "feeling" the crowd and the environment that's generated, but not to the extent of "analysing" the crowd. For me, an important thing is to put "identity" and "soul" into the music. To other DJs, this answer will be different, as their reasons for DJing and what they want to achieve in their performances is different. It's all good.

In response to DB, as I reiterate, I don't oppose the fact that they are a DJs who play "popular" tracks; it allows me to be noticed by others. But I will say that anyone can mix records starting from the last breakdown (or 8/16/24/32 bars after) and then bring in the next track with the bass cut out and then slowly bring it up etc then dropping into the first breakdown of the next track. On several levels I would have less appreciation for an "underground" DJ who follows the standard formula compared to a DJ who plays more "popular" tracks but who key mixes, who plays dubs and accapellas of multiple tracks at the same time who works the crowd and works the tracks they play. (Hope that gives you something to think about).

By the way Crispian, I don't disrespect some other DJs for the "popular" tracks they play; I disrespect them as some of those DJs are tools : D

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Ahh.. (none / 0) (#12)
by Ben James on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 09:04:55 PM CST
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"No person can force you to play at a venue where this happens (if you are bothered by it). If you don't like it then stop playing at those venues where it happens."

I guess it's a case of whether I dislike those times enough compared to the time when the crowd is up for anything and in the groove. Sure no one can force me to play...

Anyway good thoughts - keep them rolling in and I'll catch y'all soon.

I'm off to get blinder than a skunk with no eyes in a house with no lights.

Ben James.

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Point of order... (none / 0) (#11)
by Ben James on Fri Dec 3rd, 2004 at 08:58:30 PM CST
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Re: "How can we further educate the crowd? The answer is, we can't."

I think that's false, from my personal experience anyway. I've first hand seen the same partygoers go from not feeling certain tastes and vibes to really getting in to them...

Some have been friends and some haven't.

And personally, I've been educated, and I make up the crowd.

DB - you saying you haven't had your ears opened to accept new sounds over the past few years, or even few months?

Re "Not unlike wine, you must first educate the palate, this takes time..." Didn't you say you can't educate?

Ben James.

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rebuttal (none / 0) (#13)
by DB on Sat Dec 4th, 2004 at 02:39:57 PM CST
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Yes Ben, your comments are justifiable. Yes, i have had my ears opened in recent times to new sounds, as have you.

"The Crowd" is a generic term. "The Crowd" is not made up of the same individuals every week [although you could argue in some cases] but moreover it is made up of the same stereotype. It is this MAJORITY the we can not educate. There is a MINORITY that there is hope for, but for the most part, the crowd can not be educated. Simply look to the SoulGood poll for answers... 40% of respondants said it was most important whether they had anything to wear whilst 15% of respondents commented that the DJ/Music was their #1 priority.

Hope to see you tonight mate... i was stunned to recieve your SMS this morning... i was just waking up LOL!!!

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My name is The Count.... (none / 0) (#14)
by bill fragos on Sat Dec 4th, 2004 at 07:18:12 PM CST
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err DB, according to the current poll, if you add "DJ" and "Music" together you get 45%, which is in excess of the 40% "nothing to wear"... ; )

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Minus... (none / 0) (#15)
by Ben James on Sat Dec 4th, 2004 at 08:30:39 PM CST
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Minus the people who selected 'anything to wear' as a joke...

Ben James.

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Thoughts on this... (none / 0) (#16)
by Jon Whiley on Sun Dec 5th, 2004 at 04:51:38 AM CST
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Hi Guys, just something slightly different...  the discussion above mentioned new music.  How does everyone feel about new releases that ultimately end up as 'popular' tunes.  
An example might be Lola's Theme, which has been absolutely massive cross-over tune, gets cained on every radio station, yet nearer the beginning of the year I'm sure every 'underground' DJ was after it.  
I personally still love it, and still play it.  Does anyone out there avoid it like the plague now, and if so, how did they feel about it when it first came out...

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Hot Potatos (none / 0) (#17)
by crispian on Sun Dec 5th, 2004 at 01:00:19 PM CST
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That's a really interesting point Jon. I've seen many, many tunes which Bill has really enjoyed and rinsed knowing that at some point these tunes are going to hit big. It's enjoyable to me to see a crowd's reaction to a tune which has that appeal, but they don't yet know what it is.

My personal opinion is that once these tunes hit, you shouldn't play them anymore. Once every DJ knows that they work, there's just no point. All you're going to end up doing is rinsing someone out, or getting rinsed yourself. Like last night, someone played 'Flashdance' right before Bill's set. Then the next guy dropped it straight afterwards. Now should the second guy have been hanging around two hours before his set to make sure nobody played his tunes? Probably not. But should he have been able to guess that someone's already played one of the biggest tunes?

In my opinion there's two areas of focus for DJs in terms of picking tunes - concentrating on what's big now and watching what's coming in next and getting prepared. In reality every DJ has elements of both, and it's up to you to work out what your own ratio is. Just don't be surprised when you drop 'The BOMB record'(tm) and get a strange reaction from the crowd - they may have just heard it an hour ago.



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Top Choons of 2004 (none / 0) (#18)
by bill fragos on Sun Dec 5th, 2004 at 03:49:46 PM CST
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By the way, this is probably a good opportunity to let you know that soon on SoulGood there's going to be a top 30 or so choons of 2004 special. I am sure "Lola's Theme" will be in there, as will "Flashdance". There'll be a post soon giving more details.

As for playing choons that have become "popular" my attitude is if you actually still like playing that track and the crowd will enjoy it then play it. The concern for me is when one doesn't really enjoy the track but plays it anyway as it is a surebet to get a reaction.

The following quote cited in the SoulGood April 2004 chart may assist and is on point:
"For every cheesy commercial DJ who's happy to play what the record pluggers send him, who charts records he doesn't like just so he stays on the mailing list, who plays records he hates because everyone else is playing them, and who has no problem with a club giving him 'guidelines' on what and what not to play, there's another DJ who loves music, who searches out and buys records rather than just playing promotional freebies, who develops his own style, who throws his own parties, who generates his own following, who creates new music".

--Last Night A DJ Saved My Life - The History Of The Disc Jockey by Bill Brewster and Frank Broughton (Grove Press New York) pg 408

Oh and I'm still waiting for DB to withdraw his rebuttal that people are beyond salvation.... From my experiences with people I don't believe it to be true at all. I am happy to explain why, but I don't think it is necessary in light of my above posts.

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Aye and Nay and Yay. (none / 0) (#19)
by Ben James on Sun Dec 5th, 2004 at 04:09:02 PM CST
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Aye : As I said earlier I agree, people are not beyond salvation. From what I can gather Bill had listeners asking for it...leading to Soul Generation.

Nay : As for the quote from Last Night A DJ Saved My Life re: the two different DJs contrasted in the quote - do you think for every of the former kind of DJ theres equal numbers of the latter? I would have thought there's quite a few more of the former DJs and less of the latter DJs.

Yay : "As for playing choons that have become "popular" my attitude is if you actually still like playing that track and the crowd will enjoy it then play it."

I like that comment and attitude, and I don't think you can really fault this point.

Thoughts?

Ben James.

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QUITE (none / 0) (#20)
by Jon Whiley on Sun Dec 5th, 2004 at 08:45:32 PM CST
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Yes I think people can be 'helped', I prefer to describe it as showing them what they don't know they already like, or giving them another format that they can relate to more easily.

The quote from 'Last Night A DJ Saved My Life'  (wow, someone else has this?!) I think aims to illustrate the two forms of DJ, as opposed to suggesting a 50/50 split.  That said, I agree, there must be far more of the former.  If only for the fact that there is a much larger audience to satisfy (or make money from, says the cynic in me).  After all, 'popular' music is just that.

JW

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Show Me Your Charts Baby! (none / 0) (#21)
by bill fragos on Mon Dec 13th, 2004 at 04:53:55 PM CST
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Well, another day goes by and we are yet to see the Jon Whiley, DB or BenJames chart... how am I ever going to work out what I should be playing?! : D

By the way, this thread is the highest ever viewed thread on SoulGood.com to date, and the website is getting significantly more hits in the last three weeks. I would encourage those viewing this thread to actually post your thoughts... you know who you are!!!



November 2004 Chart... (none / 0) (#22)
by Jon Whiley on Wed Dec 15th, 2004 at 12:01:51 AM CST
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Well OK, more than happy to put my money where my mouth is!
I have to confess to not having the tune 'turn over' of you Bill, but I have lifted pillows, cushions and old shoes gathering dust to present the following...  

    ...my 'discoveries', 're-visits' and 'how the hell did I miss thats' of November.

  1.  Toby Neal - Join The Dots (Version 1 & 2)
  2.  Danny Howells ft. Erire - Dusk til Dawn (Shapshifter's Vocal)
  3.  Copyright - Afro EP
  4.  ATFC & Mark Knight Presents Tracer - Desire (Dub)
  5.  Bongoloverz ft. An-tonic - Power Of Music (Dub)
  6.  Alter Ego - Rocker
  7.  Shapeshifters - Lola's Theme (Alternative Mix)
  8.  Bob Sinclar ft. Ron Carroll - World Of Love

... and showing my British party spirit, two utterly forgettable big tunes of the moment...

  1.  The Love Freekz - Shine (Original Mix)
  2.  Uniting Nations - Out Of Touch

I thank you :-D

Jon Whiley

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Top 8 for the record (none / 0) (#23)
by DB on Wed Dec 15th, 2004 at 02:16:29 PM CST
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Never one to shy from a challenge, i have thrown together a hastily chosen pod of choons that i feel have serious potential to make an impact.

For the next selection i will take more time, but given that this is quite a hot topic, i wanted to respond in a timely fashion... here goes.

In no particular order...

  1. Bamboola Prod - Bahia
  2. Chus & Penn - Burning Paris
  3. Deepgroove - Jus Luv Piano
  4. Andy Holder - Nothing Like Jazz
  5. Hott 22 feat Octahvia - Aint No Love
  6. Major Boys feat. Kathy Brown - Time & Time Again
  7. MBG vs ALEX GRANI fet. DD TYLER - Whatever
  8. Danny Howells & Dick Trevor feat. ERIRE - Dusk till DAwn (Shapeshifters Remix)

Enjoy checkin out the samples and i look forward to some feedback on my selections.

DB

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Is it going to be a Goodyear? (none / 0) (#24)
by bill fragos on Fri Dec 17th, 2004 at 08:58:24 AM CST
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Guys, respect on posting your charts... still waiting for young Ben James to post his chart! Next time, please don't hesitate in posting your charts in a separate post (as a separate story) so others can post their comments about your charts underneath... thanks!



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